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From: Arun Isaac <arunisaac@systemreboot.net>
To: Jai Vetrivelan <jaivetrivelan@gmail.com>,
	raamannp@gmail.com, Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com>,
	tshrinivasan@gmail.com, jkottalam@gmail.com,
	Thanga Ayyanar <thangaayyanar@gmail.com>,
	Mohan R <mohan43u@gmail.com>, Iron Man <stark20236@gmail.com>,
	"Ashok Ramachandran (via Google Docs)" <ashokramach@gmail.com>
Cc: tamil@systemreboot.net
Subject: Re: An Attempt in Emacs Translation
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2024 15:45:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wmqcpw14.fsf@systemreboot.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h6hg6f7u.fsf@gmail.com>

Hi Jai,

>> These translations are alright, except for Kill. In Emacs jargon, kill
>> not only means to delete, but also to copy into the kill ring.
> “வெட்டு” seems closer to kill’s modern equivalent ‘cut’, but it doesn’t
> seem like an apt translation.

Yes, வெட்டு sounds good.

>> So, kill is really "kill+copy". But, somehow this added meaning has
>> come to be implicit in English usage. Getting the same nuanced
>> translation in Tamil will be very difficult.
> I don’t understand the need to imply the exact meaning in the
> translation. When we used Emacs for the first time ourselves, we did not
> know what ‘kill’ meant in Emacs jargon, which was explained later.
> So unless we get a better alternative for ‘kill’, the current
> translation should suffice.

Agreed, makes sense.

>> We really need a large body of Tamil Emacs users who are willing to
>> use these words everyday and create the subtle shades of meaning that
>> is so easy in English.
> Are there even significant Tamil Gnu/Linux users, let alone Emacs or
> Guix? I’m writing these translations hoping that it serves some future
> user, but currently how widely are our works acknowledged? Are we
> echoing to the void?

Ha ha! That's why translating software stuff to Tamil is so
frustrating. The lines யாருக்காக, இது யாருக்காக, இந்த மாளிகை வசந்த மாளிகை
always come to mind. :-P Most Tamil users of Emacs simply prefer to use
English. Even we are having this conversation in English. So, I really
don't know how to fix this. Being able to see the real-world impacts of
our translation would be very gratifying indeed. Maybe, Shrinivasan is
the right person to talk about this. I know almost nothing about what's
happening in the Tamil computing community.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-08 15:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-01 11:13 Jai Vetrivelan
2024-03-01 23:47 ` Shrinivasan T
2024-03-08 13:16   ` Jai Vetrivelan
2024-03-07 21:21 ` Arun Isaac
2024-03-08 13:11   ` Jai Vetrivelan
2024-03-08 15:45     ` Arun Isaac [this message]
2024-03-08 16:41       ` யாருக்காக, இது யாருக்காக (was: An Attempt in Emacs Translation) Jai Vetrivelan
2024-03-08 17:00       ` An Attempt in Emacs Translation Visuwesh
2024-03-08 21:58         ` Jai Vetrivelan
     [not found] ` <CAHXK8DaDizLBEDodOYd3KDM1qGtuWka2jXHJ--uiuhQuXd7Sxw@mail.gmail.com>
2024-03-08 13:22   ` Jai Vetrivelan

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